開發者會議紀錄

開發者會議紀錄 DevMeeting 20171001

  • 一款名為Monerujo的Android錢包APP已在google play商店正式發佈
  • vtnerd 公佈了一個用於測試錢包掃描速度的工具，並比較了各種不同密碼學函式庫與方法(方法大多來自MRL提供)造成的差異
  • MRL 打算在今天要釋出一份有關subaddresses的資料，但必須先將格式整理好
  • Sarang 繼續埋首研究聚合簽名(aggregate signature)
  • FFS(論壇資助系統)正在重新設計成可以直接植入getmonero.org網頁中的形式
    • 模擬畫面
    • 可能會重新命名。CFS(Community funding system-社群資助系統)?
  • Monero專案的授權問題極度需要討論
  • Purism(https://puri.sm)目前對於將Monero預設直接植入他們的Debian(PureOS) 版本中十分感興趣
    • 這也意味著可能可以推廣到Debain的上游程式碼中
    • 如果有任何人正在運行PureOS (https://pureos.net/)，Monero開發團隊希望可以得到一些Monero在上面運行狀況的意見回饋
  • 十二月將會有個”Monero月”的計畫
    • Monero 將會出席CCC(34C3)-跟BTC團隊與riat團隊一同出席。討論串位於 #monero-ccc
    • 將舉辦 Monero 維也納見面會

以上翻譯來自於紀錄原文: https://monerobase.com/wiki/DevMeeting_2017-10-01

完整會議紀錄：
rehrar> Here’s the agenda for today: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/122
endogenic> to get you present
rehrar> 1. Greetings
DaveyJones> vtnerd it’s just so people that might be interested don’t miss it on a lazy sunday ^ ^
vtnerd> yeah, ok thats what I thought, so ahead of the game then
parasew[m]> hi all!
rehrar> heyo everyone!
endogenic> naturally
tewinget> I’m here-ish, but the only input I have is that the thing that’s been taking up most of my time is finished now. >>
msvb-lab> Hello.
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serhack> hey
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serhack> Hi
rehrar> Bit of a small crowd today, but that’s fine.
rehrar> 2. Brief review of what’s been completed since the previous meeting
rehrar> Anyone care to give an update? * moneo (6dc9867e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.201.134.126) has joined
parasew[m]> haxx0r put a ruby-library online, its at https://github.com/krtschmr/monero ( i am helping also)
surae> howdy
rehrar> I don’t see tons of activity in the repos, it could be that everyone is working on super secret projects?
john_alan> The MRL has been busy from the updates I read
john_alan> impressive stuff
john_alan> Any update there?
moneo_> hey guys, I started developing a small monero client, and stumbled upon a problem: trying to manually fetch some jobs with the _getjob_ method, I only get empty jobs as a respond
surae> MRL put out our 2nd quarter roadmap, Sarang and I are working in person together for the next few days. we are nearing completion on multisig paper, subaddress paper
surae> sarang has been working on a new format for the MRL bulletin
moneo_> I’m querying xmrpool.net, an implementation from Snipa * ErCiccione (ErCiccion@109.163.234.142) has joined
rehrar> moneo_ we’re in a dev meeting right now man, you’re welcome to join. It ends in about an hour. * eyejay_3 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) * bigreddmachine (bigreddma@2601:281:8000:db60:5c32:1920:b458:c88d) has joined
john_alan> @surae sounds impressive, is that ruffCT multisig?
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serhack> monero integrations are going well :slightly_smiling_face:
rehrar> sarang if you need help with formatting, shoot me a message. I’m down to get involved
sarang> rehrar I’ll definitely do that
sarang> It’s basically down to proper author/affiliation format * noswap-BNC (noswap@103.217.152.20) has joined
ferretinjapan> rehrar, o/
vtnerd> I posted this in #monero-research-lab yesterday -> https://gist.github.com/vtnerd/0337f7daf71b33d945a984171c478bca * TinusMars has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
vtnerd> its a utility for comparing various wallet-scanning performance improvement techniques and crypto libs
moneo_> sorry rehrar, will ask later in that case.
vtnerd> it was part for mymonero stuff, part for MRL info on using curve25519
surae> vtnerd, you are absolutely awesome
bigreddmachine> moneo_ - try #monero-pools
rehrar> no problem moneo_, thanks for understanding
vtnerd> the most interesting result is trying to get spend-public decompression into mainline - it should improve wallet performance without any crypto lib changes
vtnerd> amd64-51-30k (crypto lib not in mainline) improves by ~12%, I will know shortly how much ref10 (monero mainline) improves with this technique
vtnerd> unfortunately this would require a re-arrangement of code in src/crypto, but the changes should be easy to audit
vtnerd> (the amd64-51-30k variant requires not changes to src/crypto)
surae> what’s interesting about that, is there is a non-linear trade-off in verification time and blockchain space
vtnerd> and thats probabyl the end of relevant material for this meeting …
surae> that 12% improvement might allow us some non-trivial ring size boosts
vtnerd> well the point de-compression is separate from curve25519
vtnerd> so we could actually do _both_
surae> yeesh
bigreddmachine> vtnerd, I thought amd64-51-30k is built into both supercop and nacl, and that Monero uses supercop?
vtnerd> basically for _every_ output we currently decompress (y, xbit) into ->(x,y,z,t)
vtnerd> that only needs to be done once * braveh4rt has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
vtnerd> monero does not use supercop, its all embedded. its some re-arranged version of ref10 from supercop
bigreddmachine> ahhh okay.
bigreddmachine> so it selected pieces from supercop. makes sense.
vtnerd> I have a PR which uses two amd64 variants from supercop with minimal changes (to work with position independent binaries)
vtnerd> fluffypony created a separate repo for this to track changes to the crypto separate from our usage
bigreddmachine> i see, thanks.
vtnerd> so that PR needs updating to reflect that, plus this benchmark utility (with the curve25519 removed) will get rolled into that so users can determine which is faster on their machine easily
vtnerd> oh! and curve25519 has neon implementations for arm … so theres that too! probably just for hyc though haha
msvb-lab> vtner: We’re interested in MCU hardware implementations of dh25519 and curve25519 in case you come across any.
msvb-lab> Fat chance though.
rehrar> Thanks vtnerd! Anyone else have anything to report of the last couple of weeks? * dnaleor has quit (Quit: Leaving) * bule (bule@gateway/tor-sasl/bule) has joined
sarang> I put out my monthly report (less of a dev thing, more of a research update), and plan to post the subaddress paper today w/ surae once we have the formatting all purdy
sarang> Also researching new developments in aggregate signatures
surae> oh, sarang and I are experiencing trouble with the forums still
bigreddmachine> Not something I did, but the Monerujo Android Wallet left beta. Anyone know if anyone’s audited the codebase?
sarang> Yes, true. After posting a comment to my original FFS post, it no longer works
surae> makes it hard for funding posts, etc… and we were hoping that MRL could get a suite of e-mail addresses or something
endogenic> hm i wonder if it’s related to what just happened
parasew[m]> surae: sarang - why not post to MRL github and then link it in /r/monero for now?
sarang> I put the direct text into r/monero just now due to the FFS failure
parasew[m]> the good thing about putting it into the github would be that people can subscribe and get research updates
sarang> That’s a good point
sarang> surae ran his in r/monero in the same way
parasew[m]> also there was a forum-update (or remake) planned, no?
rehrar> Forum to be scrapped
rehrar> FFS is going to be integrated into the site proper
rehrar> you can get a preview at getmonero.org/forum-funding-system for how it’s going to look * TinusMars (54c0d41e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.192.212.30) has joined
surae> ok, we’ll just keep pestering rehrar behidn the scenes
rehrar> Serhack and I will be looking at getting that finished up hopefully in the next month
parasew[m]> although it’s technically not ‘forum funding’ anymore :) * Hfiiejdgjurirhfa (b84bd43e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.75.212.62) has joined
rehrar> Forum still works I think, based off the definition
msvb-lab> Was down for a bit this week wasn’t it?
sarang> rehrar that new update looks extremely legit
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serhack> rehrar yeah!
parasew[m]> austria monero workgroup can also help w site updates (@serhack, @rehrar)
sarang> I just creamed my design pants looking at it =p
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serhack> great parasew[m]
rehrar> I’ll contact you parasew[m]
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serhack> I come to austria every year :slightly_smiling_face:
sarang> Maybe rename it something like “community funding system” to stress the group nature of it
rehrar> Alright, can we move on to the next point? It may not take super long because of the absences, but we’ll see. We’
parasew[m]> sarang: very good idea imho, also points more to community efforts
rehrar> Oops.
ArticMine> I have an item https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/85
ArticMine> Project licensing. This needs input from devs and the community * dnaleor (dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be) has joined
parasew[m]> wow, this is a rather huge topic
ArticMine> It is about informing So the conversation can take place in GitHub
rehrar> Thanks ArticMine. Super important for sure.
sarang> fluffypony brings up a good point about relicensing and the work it takes to contact contributors
ArticMine> That is one of the issues
moneromooo> There is no relicensing AFAIK.
moneromooo> LMDB itself is relicensing. Not monero.
ArticMine> But it impact Monero
moneromooo> And monero can use the same licence as it used before.
rehrar> Right, so the conversation has since turned into a couple different questions:
rehrar> 1. Should Monero relicense to a dual license?
rehrar> 2. Should Monero have dependencies that are not completely permissive
sarang> ah ok
rehrar> as is my understanding anyway
moneromooo> 2 is leading.
sarang> So the LMDB switch would _not_ require contacting contribs? * spedex (Kake@dsl-hkibng22-54faa7-34.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined
ArticMine> It is more complex than that, if the dependencies affect consensus code
rehrar> ah yes. Good clarification ArticMine. Sorry about that.
ArticMine> This is a critcal part of smooth’s concerns
ArticMine> Way to complex to deal with here
rehrar> Right, so give it a read if you haven’t already and make your opinion known. :)
rehrar> Let’s move on to: Code + ticket discussion / Q & A
ArticMine> exactly
rehrar> Again, with not so many people around, this may not be a huge topic of discussion, but it’s there if someone wants to discuss something. * dnaleor has quit (Quit: Leaving)
rehrar> No? Alright. Then we can move on to the next point: Purism integration
rehrar> This is something that’s happened recently that’s very exciting that I wanted to share with you all and get dev opinions on. * Tom_Cruise (Tom@69.12.80.147.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined
rehrar> for those who don’t know, https://puri.sm is a company that sells open source laptops (hardware and software) and is currently doing a crowdfunding campaign for mobile phones also
rehrar> a member of the Reddit community contacted them asking if they would accept Monero for their goods (they accept BTC now) * bule has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
rehrar> and they were pretty enthusiastic about the idea. I followed up with them, and spoke with the founder and CEO, Todd, and had a video conference with him
xmrmatterbridge>
sgp> Awesome!
rehrar> he is not only interested in accepting Monero for their laptops and phones, but also integrating Monero into their Debian based operating system (PureOS) by default
endogenic> nice
rehrar> we spoke at length about different cryptos, and he believes that Monero aligns the closest with Purism beliefs of digital privacy rights
parasew[m]> very nice!
rehrar> He also says that many of his devs also push to Debian, so he had discussed with me that if they integate Monero into PureOS, they would see about trying to push into Debian as well
ArticMine> This is excellent. The one thing to watch is that Monero as a software dependency can become stale real fast
ArticMine> So we have to work very closely with out downstream on this
endogenic> that’s a great point
ferretinjapan> sweet!
rehrar> Yes, I’ve spoken with ArticMine about these things, and have since emailed Todd about the concerns. Waiting to hear back from him.
rehrar> Sometime soon he is hoping to make a Purism press release about the Monero integration. I’ll be helping with that, so be looking out for it.
rehrar> It would be helpful from anyone in the community with PureOS to test the Monero GUI on it and see if there’s any issues.
rehrar> https://pureos.net/
ArticMine> Unfortunately I have to leave early today
sarang> This is a great development
rehrar> Bye ArticMine! Thanks.
bigreddmachine> rehrar, i’ll try to spin up a VM with pureos this week and let you know how it goes.
rehrar> Thanks bigreddmachine!
rehrar> Their mobile offering is still more than half a year away (it’s being crowdfunded right now)
rehrar> but atm our GUI is (As far as I understand it) functional on mobile phones, but not optimized for it.
rehrar> But that’s for Android, right? * timothy (tredaelli@redhat/timothy) has joined
rehrar> (their phones will also have PureOS)
moneromooo> That answers why they didn’t use Qubes…
rehrar> Qubes is ‘partnered’ with them and guaranteed to work on their systems
rehrar> https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2015/12/09/purism-partnership/
unknownids> if you order from them you can choose a USB with qubes on it
rehrar> well, one of their systems anyways
timothy> qubes is “strange”
timothy> it stil uses xen
rehrar> Well, that’s all from me about that. If anyone has any other things to say about it, we can discuss it after. Let’s wrap up. :)
rehrar> 5. Any additional meeting items
rehrar> I’ll leave this open for a couple of minutes.
bigreddmachine> anyone know how many eyes have looked at monerujo? wondering if it’s been audited or anything, as I’ve seen people start recommending it * Tom_Cruise has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
moneromooo> Probably an even number.
parasew[m]> just as a final note: 2 events in december - “Monero Month” in Vienna with the preparations of ccc and monero meetup, monero vienna workgroup ( seperately discussed in #monero-ccc )
bigreddmachine> :)
parasew[m]> and CCC itself: we need a prototype programm for the 34C3, planned is to create a joint larger meta-assemby with bitcoin-assembly and riat-assembly.
parasew[m]> if anyone cares to help plan, etc. also in #monero-ccc
moneromooo> If anyone want to test the multisig stuff, feel free. It’s about a half dozen PRs from the earliest one on github.
moneromooo> Or review.
msvb-lab> bigreddmachine: Monerujo is available on the Google Play Store, since this week I think.
bigreddmachine> msvb-lab, yes, I know
msvb-lab> That’s probably why you’re asking. I have the same curiosity in any case.
xmrmatterbridge>
sgp> Can we have all the IRC channels relayed to Mattermost? Only a handful are
rehrar> What other channels do you want?
dEBRUYNE>
rehrar> But that’s for Android, right?
= iOS too and we can probably make it work with other operating systems.
rehrar> Awesome dEBRUYNE! Thanks. :)
rehrar> Alright we need to wrap up.
rehrar> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
xmrmatterbridge>
sgp> @rehrar I made a list on Taiga. Can’t remember on the top of my head
rehrar> October 15th, same time?
rehrar> ok, thanks sgp
rehrar> Ok. That’s it guys. Thanks so much! :) Have a good weekend. No Kovri meeting (they’re moving to Fridays)