- 速度基本上是一樣的… 或許可以變快一點點
- 近期會把程式碼從Java test code 改寫成C/C++
- 許多錯誤修正的程式碼已陸續被併入專案 (hyc 算過了, 一共72個)
- monero-core 的GitHub專案被正名為 monero-gui
- Monero 整合小組已準備好發佈 Magento 電子商務插件，下一個正在朝OpenCart電子商務插件進行整合。
rehrar> Hey everyone! I don’t know if fluffypony will be here today, but let’s see about getting this thing started.
unknownids> fyi msvb-lab jwinterm controls monerobux, or vice versa we never figured it out
hyc> ok, it can be a quick meeting if not
rehrar> luigi1111 ArticMine othe smooth moneromooo Jaquee hyc sgp
rehrar> tag all the people!
msvb-lab> nioc: I mean with the letters U-T-C to make it obvious.
rbrunner> Hoi zäme
rehrar> sarang, knaccc
rehrar> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/138 we can be quick today
rehrar> Kinda already did ‘Greetings’
rehrar> Hello to everyone idling in the peanut gallery
rehrar> 2. Brief review of what’s been completed since the previous meeting
rehrar> Can we get a mini-update from dev, gui, hardware, and mrl?
sarang> I can speak for MRL
sarang> We’ve been thoroughly investigated bulletproofs, a new form of CT range proofs
hyc> is moneromooo here?
endogenic> have one thing to bring up
endogenic> when there’s time
sarang> They should function as essentially a drop-in replacement that is 10% the size of the original proofs (for one output; even smaller for multiple outputs)
sarang> with about the same verification time; possibly a teensy bit faster * dxdr (
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sarang> Kudos to andytoshi for a lot of great help on those, and others
hyc> it’s like a TARDIS! the bigger the input the smaller the output! /s
rehrar> So it’s looking really promising that it’d be good for us?
sarang> We’ll start translating the Java test code over to C/C++ for more detailed work
suraeNoether> it’s a win-win: smaller-spaced range-proofs, with the same verification time
sarang> There were some doubts about ver time, but we literally just had a convo over in MRL that pointed out a simple caching that helps us
rehrar> MRL, folks. Let’s give ‘em a hand.
sarang> It was pointed out, though, that there’s very little randomness hanging around, which could affect storing stuff “in the randomness”
sarang> That may be a deepe discussion for later
suraeNoether> yeah, using these range proofs makes encrypting messages with range proofs far less do-able
gingeropolous> eh who cares
msvb-lab> MRL is excellent, nice.
suraeNoether> andytoshi is really the one who nailed it, btw
suraeNoether> aaaaand all his co-authors
rehrar> Can we send them a fruit basket?
suraeNoether> which has included, for a second time, Jonathan Bootle
sarang> rehrar set up an FFS for it
sarang> 0.2 XMR
suraeNoether> and for the N^th time, greg maxwell
rehrar> 100 XMR requested
rehrar> biggest fruit basket ever
sarang> Anyhoo, that’s the big news from MRL right now, I suppose
rehrar> awesome. Thanks so much.
suraeNoether> multisig is looking like i will be ready to hand it off to sarang by the end of the month, as hoped.
suraeNoether> and thats it for now
rehrar> Anyone else have an update since the last meeting two weeks ago?
ArticMine> This is huge from a scaling perspective
hyc> dev has done a tone of PR merges latelt
rehrar> can you summarize them?
hyc> there’s still been build issues with readline dependencies but I think they’re pretty much sorted by now * dnaleor has quit (Quit: Leaving)
hyc> we’ve isolated readline from GUI dependencies, etc.
hyc> mooo can probably summarize better
endogenic> vtnerd says “oh good”
moneromooo> Hmm. I can go look at github:
moneromooo> (mostly small things anyway)
rehrar> FP confirmed he can’t make it today. He sends his apologies.
moneromooo> disguising password length in prompt I guess is still a small thing, but user visible * buddd (
moneromooo> less unnecessary locking in some DB readers, which should speed up some RPC
moneromooo> Fixes for BSD build * Keniyal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
moneromooo> The wallet does not fetch unneeded hashes anymore (ie, starts direct from 1.4e6)
moneromooo> CORS (for those who know what it is)
moneromooo> A fix for show_transfers missing more than one incoming input in a tx
moneromooo> And I think the rest is either prior to last meeting, or small/internal stuff.
hyc> yeah but it comprises a couple dozen PRs between then and now
rehrar> Alright, awesome. Thanks moneromooo. * rehrar (
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rehrar> hardware, I know you give updates in community, but I think most of us that know are excited about the rapid progress you’re making
rehrar> care to share something small about what’s been going down?
msvb-lab> Hardware; we’ve settled our initial workflows and have built a twenty strong team. Journals are taking notice (see press) and the project is moving along.
msvb-lab> I’ll mark our forum proposal milestone 1 as concluded today probably.
msvb-lab> We now have an open call to any interested in a hardware wallet, become part of the project and possibly test a prototype. See:
msvb-lab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-rfc-hwallet-1-implementation/wiki/preview/ * buddd has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
msvb-lab> I’ll demonstrate our two current working protoypes at this week’s first ever Monero Munich meeting. * buddd_ (
msvb-lab> That’s all, any questions?
sgp_[m]> What do you expect those who receive the prototypes to test?
msvb-lab> Very weak expectations, hopefully each finds their own way to contribute and strengthen the project.
msvb-lab> There’s a test plan page, where people can make comments while testing.
msvb-lab> But that is just one of many choices, each individual can make on their own.
msvb-lab> Pretty lame answer no?
rehrar> Alright, thanks msvb-lab!
msvb-lab> Thanks for the opportunity.
moneromooo> Sounds like pretty nice stuff is going on there, congrats :)
hyc> (I counted 72 PRs merged since last dev meeting)
msvb-lab> hyc: Who make most of the merges, fluffy?
rehrar> So, we’ve got Code + ticket discussion / Q & A time available for the devs to discuss dev-y things. But all the mergy stuff may have to wait because of FP absence, but if there’s other business to take care of, devs you have the floor
hyc> yes he does all the merges
hyc> we didn’t get a report from GUI
rehrar> oh, right! so sorry.
rehrar> Anybody working on GUI have stuff to talk about.
unknownids> ping Jaquee ?
endogenic> so i’ve been chatting with mooo, Jaquee, and vtnerd recently about integrating MyMonero with the native mainline libwallet
Jaquee> sorry. i’m on the run
endogenic> signs point to integrating with wallet_api
endogenic> I may end up tackling a small portion of factoring wallet2
rehrar> ok, no worries Jaquee.
moneromooo> As long as not too many gratuitous changes ^_^
endogenic> 100% mooo
hyc> all variable and class names being filtered thru pig-latin
gingeropolous> dsc_, in here :)
msvb-lab> Is our GUI crew considered only monero-gui, or are mymonero.com and Moneruj (Android) included as well?
dsc_> has it started?
endogenic> lol hyc
rehrar> I think GUI crew is people who work on the monero-gui repo
rehrar> mymonero and Monerujo are their own thing
rehrar> dsc_ has what started?
dsc_> the meeting :D
rehrar> oh, yeah. We’re about half hour in. :)
hyc> oh - that’s worth mentioning too - the repo is now properly named monero-gui, no longer monero-core
msvb-lab> rehrar: So Monerujo communicate on a different channel, right?
rbrunner> That rename is a milestone :)
rehrar> Monerujo utilizes the Mattermost where they have a private channel for the devs and core team, and a public channel for questions. They’ve also got a Taiga to track progress.
dsc_> aight, so I’m working on a black theme for `monero-gui` (qt5) .. learning QML in the process. Trying to get some more UX developers involved and generally just trying to document things as I go
rehrar> I can rep Monerujo though, as I’m heavily involved with them
rehrar> they’ve got some exciting stuff coming
rehrar> yes, can you link your thread dsc_?
rehrar> The one you made a few days ago.
rehrar> in the comments there are the various proposals for redesigning the GUI. Are there any thoughts on any of those?
rehrar> well, first dsc_ you wanted to say something, go ahead. :)
dsc_> No I was finished :P
dsc_> but to answer your question: There are 3 UI proposals of which I picked the one that was most trivial to implement
dsc_> seeing as I’m just one guy with zero QML experience, hehe.
dEBRUYNE> rehrar: Basically we’re first kind of going for the dark theme, which will have a light mode as well
dEBRUYNE> Because it’s most trivial to implement
dEBRUYNE> (only requires minor changes to the current design)
dEBRUYNE> Some screenshots -> https://i.imgur.com/89YFUj7.png
rehrar> for those interested
rehrar> Ok. Cool deal!
dEBRUYNE> To clarify, the dark theme is #949
dEBRUYNE> dsc_ also made a PR which should make the GUI more responsive
dsc_> cant make any predictions as to when I have some tangible, taking quite some time…!
dEBRUYNE> Also, we’re aiming to include subaddresses and multisig somewhere in the future^tm * Keniyal (
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dEBRUYNE> And, once there is a core appstore account, we’ll start testing the ios port of the GUI * amiuhle (
dEBRUYNE> There’ll be an android port as well, fwiw
msvb-lab> dEBRUYNE: Is Qt5 easy to port to mobile?
sgp_[m]> Is there a new android APK to test? I last saw one months ago
dEBRUYNE> sgp_[m]: Buildbot produces APKs iirc
dEBRUYNE> Let me check
pigeons> No that isn’t setup now
dEBRUYNE> msvb-lab: Jaquee did it, so better to ask him :P
pigeons> I can’t promise next week even, very busy
dsc_> rehrar: To give you an idea, right now I have this: https://i.imgur.com/iLwupdB.png
dsc_> or to give anyone an idea for that matter :)
rehrar> looks pretty chill imo :D
dsc_> aye aye
dsc_> WIP ofc :) * amiuhle has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
rehrar> I personally think there needs to be a bit of a restructuring of some info, but this is a good meantime
hyc> good stuff
hyc> would be nice to get a more recent android build up for people to test
rehrar> Alright. That’s it from GUI? No other opinions on dEBRUYNE and dsc_ stuff either?
hyc> looks like we can move on to ticket Q/A
rehrar> ok Code + ticket discussion / Q & A
rehrar> hyc moneromooo can you two take the lead for this? * valentinbuza (
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moneromooo> Well, if anyone has questions about them, please ask.
hyc> I’d leave it to mooo. I’m not aware of any open questions
rehrar> Alright. That’s it from GUI?
dsc_> ticket Q/A != discussing open PR’s, right?
hyc> ask away
dsc_> low hanging fruit PRs (that can probably be merged): #919, #954, #963 on monero-gui
dsc_> not so much a question ^^
hyc> probably ask luigi to merge them if fluffy is unavailable
iDunk> luigi merges GUI PRs anyway :)
rehrar> I think luigi is out for a few days, so be patient. (:
rehrar> Alrighty, shall we move on?
rehrar> FFS Formalization: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pull/87
serhack> Is there meeting?
hyc> serhack started 40 minutes ago
rehrar> we probably don’t have time for a large discussion (if at all), but I just wanted to encourage the devs to take a look at the PR
serhack> I forgot it
rehrar> The idea of having a set of formalized guidelines for FFS proposals going forward has been thrown around a lot. It’d be good to get some opinions on how this is laid out and any concerns that may arise from it.
serhack> I didn’t understand well: is the project funded by ffs an Official project?
ArticMine> Does the current system work?
rehrar> There’s been hiccups ArticMine. fireice and guzzi come to mind.
endogenic> those seem like complete outliers :P
endogenic> not exactly legit claims to issues imo
rehrar> Largely based on de facto expectations that are not actually formalized.
msvb-lab> How do we learn about the hickups mentioned (in order to understand context?)
endogenic> but proposals could stand to be more concrete, specific, detailed,
endogenic> rehrar: formalization can be a bit of a rabbit hole as well
endogenic> sometimes humans need to be involved
endogenic> ppl need to recognize the situation before a formal plan can be applied
hyc> indeed. current US political situation reflects this - institutions are designed assuming good faith in all participants
endogenic> but if the situation is not able to be recognized by ppl then how can it be applied for the desired result?
hyc> nobody can take all the time needed to identify every possible abusable loophole
rehrar> What we have currently is a Core Team centered way of resolving disputes that, to my knowledge, hasn’t really been utilized since I’ve been here
rehrar> since we’ve got that right now, maybe we stick with it?
endogenic> but identifying loopholes and plugging them is not a bad thing
endogenic> it’s just that they need to be done by humans imo
ArticMine> We may need some tweaking to deal with the hiccups; but as afar as I can see at a fundamental level the system is working
rehrar> don’t know where else the graphic is, so I’ll just link it here: https://getkovri.org/contributing.html
rehrar> bottom of the page * defterade_ (
rehrar> This has not been formally replaced, so it is currently active. We can discuss that at a later time though. Let’s move on. * defterade has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
rehrar> 5. Any additional meeting items
rehrar> If anyone has anything, speak up. :)
moneromooo> If anyone wants to test multisig, feel free. PR 2134.
gingeropolous> is there a set date for the next code freeze?
serhack> A little update by me about Monero Integrations
rehrar> go for it serhack * ferretinjapan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
serhack> So we (I and cryptochangements) are going to release Magento Plugin, In the past few weeks, we worked on a new cool payment box for Monero Integrations.
serhack> I am currently working on OpenCart too so I think we can release Magento payment box the next week..
serhack> I have talked to OpenBazaar too and they have told me that Monero + Openbazaar would be nice.. it will be a difficult task but I think I can do it
serhack> you can go on, rehrar
moneromooo> Everytime I read OpenBazaar, it makes me want to punch that scammer from a few years back…
rehrar> alright, thanks man :)
moneromooo> That’s the one.
rehrar> doesn’t he still run Dwarfpool?
gingeropolous> yeah, and ppl still mine on it
rehrar> We should encourage them not to * potyt_ (
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rehrar> Either way: 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
rehrar> December 3rd? Same time?
gingeropolous> so no freeze date, eh? * TinusMars has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
rehrar> Should we move time because daylight savings?
moneromooo> About mid december
ArticMine> Please do not move the time
moneromooo> Or january. Unclear.
rehrar> ok, time not moved * dxdr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
rehrar> FP would have a better answer?
hyc> isn’t a release due in January?
hyc> and we’re supposed to freeze a month before
gingeropolous> well dec or jan gives us 3 months
rehrar> There’s a new freeze/release schedule isn’t there?
hyc> mebbe someone can open a meta issue and set some dates into it
gingeropolous> i thought we had 3 months of freeze for more testing / fixing than before …. * potyt has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
moneromooo> 3 months of freeze is gonna make me punch someone else :P
moneromooo> It’s branch, then release from the brnch aftrer 2-3 months.
moneromooo> It’s already painful when stuff doens’t get merged after a month.
ArticMine> The big one is the bullet proofs * potyt_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
gingeropolous> right. i thought branch is a freeze… i.e., feature freeze…. i.e., freeze on adding wacky new stuff that requires bandaloots and warples
moneromooo> That’s not likely to be ready by then. * defterade (
gingeropolous> but yeah… perhaps that should be documented somewhere
rehrar> (Not to interrupt, but meeting is over for those who need to go, discussion can of course continue) * potyt (
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rehrar> Alright. You guys are the best! thanks for being a part of this community, and developing the software we all know and love as Morono
msvb-lab> rehrar: Thanks, good flow of topics, great moderation.